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Published:August 12th, 2009 16:00 EST
Epoch of Evolution, More Like De-Evolution

Epoch of Evolution, More Like De-Evolution

By SOP newswire2

Haven`t read things through much either have you Richard? After all, how many ways does the government demand their grubby little fingers into your private life for little if no good reason in the 2,000 page Government Health Care plan, or should we just call it what it is, The New Socialists Manifesto of government control? How many Americans truly are uninsured and of those how many are illegal aliens? Let`s see the real numbers as to WHY we need this crap jammed down our throats.  Rather than force everyone into a one size fits all plan reminds me of Sieg Hiel, Sieg Hiel ". Why not cover the basics for the Legal " citizens who are not insured and not worry about all the Illegal Aliens "? This would leave the current medical system alone, and require a minimal amount of cost overall, wouldn`t you think, Oh that`s right, you didn`t think before writing this glowing rhetoric towards socialistic paradise.

Boy, we haven`t even gotten into all these government politicians deciding on how much, or how much less when we would get rationed " our allotment of health care. So many end of life decisions by a political process, so who the hell are they, GOD, that a political decision to deny medical treatment just because a minority say`s it is right? Haven`t done any research in countries that have socialized medicine nor reviewed the actual numbers versus our health care system have you Richard?

You are right on the issue of our legal system, it has been demonized in that no one takes responsibility for their own actions. So many frivolous law suits by ambulance chasers driving up health care costs by raising insurance premiums so high that the cost is passed on to the consumers who had NOTHING to do with the issue. The court system needs to be changed where ANY civil court case where the plaintiff fails to win, they are in turn automatically responsible for all the costs of the one they accused, including just compensation, just like in England.

As for attempting to legislate and control morality, guess you didn`t read much history on what prohibition was, the effects, and the repeal of prohibition. Just like the war on drugs, oh so effective, and oh so costly, all for what? Guess in your thinking it is better to lobotomize everyone so they do only what YOU want them to do? Oh right that has been tried before. Guess it was so successful in Germany in the 1930`s-1940`s eh? Russia had a wonderful experience with totalitarian control, didn`t their political system self destruct in early 1991? China, itself has even become somewhat realistic, since the late 80`s, allowing non government controlled business and wealth to be earned independently by the lower and middle class, otherwise their government faced a rebellion of 6 billion mostly unarmed, but truly unhappy people!

#1   Nope, Korea, Vietnam, history repeats itself, companies have been the initiators of more wars and police actions than you have brain cells. Nor are you in any way part of the military intelligence network with the security clearance much less infallible proof of the decisions incorrectness either way. If you truly believe the media was supplied all the facts or lack thereof then you truly are misguided.  Either change the system or clam up as the mantra is getting rather old. The decision was made, and the all knowing media and their civilized influence " didn`t allow the US military to fight the war in the way wars are fought, brutally, violently, and efficiently, and by any experienced military man (I am) have prolonged the war with their stupid rhetoric and hatred of the establishment that isn`t their view point of the world. War is not nicey nice, people die, but the sooner it is over, the less people die, prove otherwise!

You have no training nor ability in tactics, you should read Sun Tzu, the Art of War " sometime, a nearly 2,000 year old book on how to fight war that frankly is as true today as it was then. One of it`s mantras is simple, "it is better to concentrate the fight in the opponents back yard, than to fight on many fronts at home ". You can not claim that Iraq has not been a focal point for all the zealots looking for Jihad. So what would all those zealots " have been doing if they hadn`t been foolishly concentrating their resources there in the backyard of some of the most virulent anti American regimes in the mid-east, rather than planning and carrying out attacks on the US soil, causing untold civilians casualties. Guess focusing the attention of the zealots on Iraq didn`t send a message or make the enemies of the US take pause, did it?

Ever talk to a former intelligence operator in the Middle-East? I do on a daily basis. That person lived over there for almost 20 years. I asked that operator what the real problem was and they stated the simple fact is, the people don`t just dislike the US, they hate us. They are as a rule poorly educated and easily influenced by their religious leaders. They have no experience of what it means to be American " and have been trained for decades in this mantra of hate. You really need to go do some research as to who " Osama Bin Laden and others like him modeled themselves after, very enlightening. So please explain Richard, how you defuse hate " when the people doing the hating, have no clue of what freedom truly means, nor do they wish to do so?

My belief is that in line with sound military tactics, trumped up reasons or not, and others looking to make a profit that Saddam sealed his own fate and the selection of Iraq as the prime target almost 18 years ago after the first Gulf War when Saddam engineered an assassination attempt on George Bush Sr. Them ole Texas boys don`t take lightly to someone trying to kill family. That along with the ensuing concentration of effort by the jihadist`s in Iraq, and time frame allowed the US to put security systems, checks, procedures, HUMINT (Human Intelligence networks) and other infrastructure in place that had been de-activated and shut down by prior administrations, system and functions again needed to protect our relatively open borders, prove otherwise.

What pray tell would be the cost to the US if multiple attacks had continued on US soil over the last 8 years? How many billions of dollars would that have cost the US in lost business, travel, required armed guards at all travel points, invasive mandatory inspections, should we go on as to the amount of chaos would have occurred? Or was it more cost effective to send our military over there, in a limited exposure, to learn again, the evolving tactics of modern urban warfare, all while buying us time to fix the holes in our security apparatus destroyed by nearly 30 years of liberalized cost cutting? You have no clue and haven`t even considered these other points which must be considered.

Could the war have been fought differently, hell yes! Remove the biased manipulation of the media and focus on Afghanistan first. Then proceed on, but again, you have no clue, so why should anyone listen to your rhetoric?

#4  Ah, you believe in an afterlife based on what combination of faith and or proof? Guess incest, rapes, Roe vs. Wade, don`t mean anything to you either? True socialism doesn`t believe in a deity, and all your belief systems and arguments point to you believing that government is God, so frankly, how in the hell can you believe there is an afterlife?

#5   Your right in one way, the cost to America of the war on drugs is costing the US somewhere around $170 billion to $240 billion dollars a year. In that cost is the interdiction programs, the failed stopping of shipments at the border, the failed programs that turn kids away, the failure of the family unit so crucial in steering kids away from violence, drugs. The failure of our prison system of which 40% are drug related crimes involving marijuana, just think how much we could save reducing our average 2.7 million incarcerated prisoners a year, as well as the reduced workload in the legal system. Legalization of the majority of illicit drugs would destroy a large portion of the resources that drive violent crime. Japan & the Netherlands already have successful anti drug programs that work, we should follow suit no matter how distasteful.

As far as your continued reference to guns as what we export, we are just another example of the effect of socialistic entitlement programs began decades ago where no one is responsible for their own welfare, family, much less personal safety. Change that, and you have a chance to change the above, don`t, and we will keep spiraling downward!

#6  Until the government begins to demonstrate that they can manage more than a rolling Taco stand to a profit, please explain why in the hell we should spend more money than we already do outside the US? Do you have any clue as to how many billions of dollars are spent outside the US for similar programs, food, health, disaster recovery? No apparently you do not, so until then, you need to back up your words with actions! The reality is we should shut down all non-essential spending outside the US, use those existing funds to establish a true, and well measured health care system. Then look at what we can then do for the rest of the world as they simply don`t give a rats bupkus if we sink or swim, so why should we continue to fund their crapola?

#7  Haven`t read things through much either have you Richard? After all, how many ways does the government demand their grubby little fingers into your private life for little if no good reason in the 2,000 page Government Health Care plan, or should we just call it what it is, The New Socialists Manifesto of government control? How many Americans truly are uninsured and of those how many are illegal aliens? Lets see the real numbers as to WHY we need this crap jammed down our throats.  Rather than force everyone into a one size fits all plan reminds me of Sieg Hiel, Sieg Hiel " why not cover the basics for the Legal " citizens who are not insured and not worry about all the Illegal Aliens "? This would leave the current medical system alone, and require a minimal amount of cost overall, wouldn`t you think, Oh that`s right, you don`t think.

Boy, we haven`t even gotten into all these government politicians deciding on how much, or how much less when we would get rationed " our allotment of health care. So many end of life decisions by a political process, so who the hell are they, GOD, that a political decision to deny medical treatment just because a minority say`s it is right? Haven`t done any research in countries that have socialized medicine nor reviewed the actual numbers versus our health care system have you Richard?

Maybe you should look at the resources here in this link then come back and complain how bad our health care system is. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/18/pardon-the-interruption

Take a look at the line items listed below in the 2,000 page Government Health Care program and explain with any logic how in the hell Richard that this is an improvement over the current health care system? You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.


Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!


Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business`s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn`t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn`t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn`t matter what specialty you have, you`ll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor`s time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.


So, can we continue Richard, or has the cat got your tongue that someone would actually read the crap the politicians are trying to palm off on us as reasonable government health care? This is just plain stupid, and if you cant see that, guess what?

We have feelings Richard, we just aren`t blatantly stupid enough to believe the government has our best interests at heart, much less the poor minions.

#8  Isn`t it also right that the left wants to curry favor of the illegal aliens who have flaunted US immigration laws, cost this country over $12 billion a year not including lost taxes? Isn`t it true the left wants to curry the favor of these people who refuse to become Americans by the process required? When did the left wingers or the government deem it necessary to just eliminate our immigration laws and system? There was no vote, petition or anything to do so, just because it is convenient for one political party to do so, get real! Who are you or any politician without authority to say that the rules and laws created for immigration in the 1700-1800`s are any less valid today? Want to create jobs? Remove most of the illegal aliens and jobs become available, and during these economic times, people will work those jobs to survive, we have seen it before (30`s my parents, 70`s myself), and we are seeing it again today!

 #9   Boy, sure can tell you didn`t pay attention in history class concerning constitutional history. The US Constitution reaffirms that those rights as written in the 10 amendment of the bill of right pre-exist any written laws. Neither do you have any logical proof that our founding fathers would write just one of all the amendments to be a collective right, and all the rest as individual rights (see Bill of Rights drafts at the Karpeles museum, California). Nor are you an English major with a proper interpretation of what words meanings were in 1776 compared to today, good example, what did Gay " mean in 1776? What did Regulate " mean in 1776?

The AWB Ban of 1994 -2004 did what to stop violence? Nothing, no proof nada! The FBI UCR data shows that before, during, and after the AWB less than 2% of all violent crimes involving a gun were rifles, of which your so called assault weapons " were only a portion of the 2%.  Woo Hooo that really solved the problem of violence. By the way, the USDOJ Gang Activity report published Jan13th 2009 identified that 1 million violent gang members were responsible for up to 80% of all violent crime in the US. That was 1.4 million Violent Crime Reported FBI UCR and 5.2 million unreported as per the USDOJ Victimization report (government reports, try and deny that!)

Lest we forget that England, so similar in laws, history and culture has been experimenting with gun control since 1997. How has that turned out Richard? Well, the English went from 445k VCR in 1997 to 1.4 million VCR in 2007 (Great Britain Home Office Database, must add in all sexual assaults or the data doesn`t match what the US FBI UCR database includes) or equal to the number of violent crimes reported to the US FBI UCR in 2007, and they have 20% of our population. Man how is that nearly 930k increase in rapes, hot burglaries (while tenant is home), and aggravated assaults not a significant cost burden on English society? Their murders didn`t decrease either, so again, tell us how those vaunted socialistic entitlement programs have rendered a safer more EVOLVED society in England Richard? This trend is repeated in Australia, Canada, and lest we forget Mexico, land of the drug cartel bandido`s!

Lets provide an example of how effectively one of the newer gun control laws work, the Brady Background Check. Since 1994 till today, over 87.17 million checks have occurred and 1.45 valid rejections (illegal gun ban laws keeping law abiding citizens from purchase does not automatically include them in the undesirables this law was only supposed to stop, does it?).

Of those rejections over 831,000 are felons, the people who aren`t even supposed to touch, much less buy a gun. Of those, since 1999 till 2007, only 9,470 were prosecuted. That means over 822,000 felons were not prosecuted, although the evidence was there for them to do so. Only .12% of felons rejected were prosecuted, not convicted. So can you please identify without any doubt that no single felon then went and bought a gun illegally and still committed a crime or murder? This is how effectively our government, legal system, and the anti gun organizations enforce a law they helped impose and yet they have the nerve to say we need more gun control. How freaking moronic is that when they can`t even enforce one law less than 1% of the time, pathetic. (USDOJ Background Check and Firearm Transfers report 2007)

Ever priced a non-lethal weapon Richard? Ever tested them all for their effectiveness in stopping an attacker? How many of those non lethal weapons turn out to be lethal if not used properly? If you are so concerned about deaths, maybe you should study up on how lethal " non-lethal weapons have proven to be! In the military, we trained in tear gas and chemical clouds, learning how to ignore the discomfort it created to be able to function. How many criminals know how to do the same thing the government trained us to do, it is common knowledge after all!

Is everyone the same size, strength, skilled in hand to hand combat or martial arts, is everyone capable of killing in self defense, have you prepared for the worst in the hope that you will never have to go through with the actual act of self defense? Kinda like buying insurance for your health, home, or car, yet you feel preparing to defend yourself with the most economical, effective tool at hand is stupid? Who is being stupid here Richard?

Yet you rant and rave about people choosing to defend them selves outside government control. Oh that`s right, the government has almost a dozen US Supreme court rulings clearly stating that they are not liable or responsible for protecting each individual. The best police response times are 4 minutes or more. So please explain why we have to sit and wait those four minutes for the police to arrive? I guess you are essentially claiming the attackers have more rights than their intended victims. Please explain how that idiocy is evidence of EVOLVED thinking?

So until you come up with a better, more economical mouse trap (gun) that works every time, isn`t lethal, and has no reasonably priced defense so the criminal element can`t neutralize it easily, and do something constructive to cut out a large percentage of the funds supporting all this violence (legalize illicit drugs) you have nothing to say about guns.

Evolved thinking that subjugates us to more and more government control is not the sign of evolved thinking. It is the sign of degradation of the intelligence of the masses in subjugation to the few who feel they are the elitist and we the sheep and that they know what is best, what a crock of B.S. that is!

President Obama and his minions DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS BETTER and have yet to prove otherwise.


While it sounds like you have prevailed over your own personal demons and such, congratulations to you on doing so, it SOUNDS LIKE YOU DIDN`T THINK MUCH THROUGH AS YOUR OPINION, BY ALL THE FACTS IS A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY STUPID PLAN RICHARD

 

John D. Nelson 

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